Discussion Question 8


8.  What does the novel tell us about the role of marriage in Austen's time?  (For instance, why does Charlotte Lucas marry Mr. Collins?)  How is the function of marriage different or the same in the twenty-first century?

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  1. Charlotte said she was a burden to her parents. She was in her 20's and that was old in those times to get married. She felt like a spinster. She got an opportunity to relieve her parents and be a mistress of her own home next to a castle. She was not a beautiful woman so she felt for a girl who lived out in the country, this was good as it would get for her.
    Apparently, marrying for love was a luxury for women back then. Reputations were also a burden on families and she and her parents were embarrassed bec. she was not married with children. She was probably afraid if her father died there may not be anyone to support her and her mother.
    I believe most woman marry for love these days, but there are probably some who only marry for prestige, fame, connections, or security, etc.

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  2. Back during Jane Austen's time, most women seemed to be either betrothed at a young age or married to someone who had money and was respectable. In Mrs Charlotte's case, she married Mr Collins because she felt as though she was a burden to her parents. In today's society people usually marry because they love each other. Almost everyone gets to make the choice on who they are going to be with for the rest of their life.

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    1. The very fact that you have to say 'almost' in this day and age, is still very sad. Some girls out there in other countries do not get to make their own choices in who they marry. :(

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  3. In Austen's time marriage was mainly about money. The rich married close relatives or other rich people to keep wealth in the family. The middle class or poor people attempted to marry very well to raise their financial states. Charlotte Lucas married Mr. Collins because she was getting "old" and it was the best offer she believed she would receive. If she did not marry soon she would have turned out to be an old maid and her brothers would have been responsible for taking care of her.

    Today marriage is much more about love than money. I suppose there are still some people out there that marry to get ahead in life and to have a lot of money. But most people marry because they have fallen in love and wish to spend the rest of their life with the person who makes them happy.

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  4. The Role of marriage in Austen’s time was one of survival. Women found it necessary to get married if they were going to have good life past their father’s death. In the Bennet’s case, at least one of the sisters needed to marry into a somewhat wealthy family so that their mother would have a place to live. Money was a major factor in choosing a spouse. A man who was well off could pretty much guarantee a good life for his wife. The man could also assume that whoever her proposed to, would say yes (if he was rich.) Many of the women did not look for love in their choosing a husband. They tried to find a man that they could tolerate and had enough money to take care of her and her family. This was the case when Charlotte Lucas agrees to marry Mr. Collins. He needs a wife for a good image and she wants to be settled in a comfortable life style. Marriage seemed like more of an agreement for the couple’s security rather than for love.
    Today, most marriages are based on love. Women today are more independent than those of Austen’s time. Women are often taught to be able to support themselves before they are ready to find a husband. Although this is not the case in all marriages, most couples get married regardless of financial stability. Marriage today is most commonly seen as a sign of eternal love instead of financial stability.

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  5. Marriage in the times of bowing and wearing corsets was strictly business. The agenda was mainly to find someone with money and protection not only for the female marrying but for the family as well. From the males perspective marriage was to have someone to have as an ornament, something to call his, and to bare his children to continue the family name. Today marriage is mainly based on what your heart feels. Finding your true love or mr/mrs right is the focus of our society doesn't matter if they are rich or poor we want to be happy than being with someone that they dislike and only married for money.

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  6. During Austen's time, marriage was about money. Mr.Collins main reason for coming to town is to marry one of the Bennett sisters so he can inherit the estate. Also it has very little about true love. Elizabeth is in love with Mr. Darcy, but her parents want her to marry Mr. Collins. In the twenty-first century it does not matter how much the person makes, as long as you love them.

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  7. The novel helps to instill within us the idea that during those times, many people did not end up marrying for love. Instead, the majority of them ended up having to marry those who would insure that they and their families would not end up destitute.
    For example, Charlotte Lucas felt as though she were a burden to her family. This was due in large part to the fact that she was too "old" for that time to not yet be married. This led to her settling and agreeing to marry Mr. Collins, which insured her a secure place in a higher societal class.

    The function of marriage is quite different for those of us in this century. During Elizabeth's time marriage worked in such a way that men proposed and women were not to refuse. Today, though, both women and men can propose and both women and men can refuse the suitor. In the time of this novel, such refusals and proposals by women would have been unheard of and would have landed the women in a place of excommunication.

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    1. I once remember a guy-friend telling me he likes the 'chase' and likes to be the one to initiate a relationship with women. I don't think that will ever go away... I strongly believe women should let the man still...'chase' and ask for the hand in marriage, not the other way around. Yes, we have the freedom to do that, but...it is just a guy thing and always will be, I believe. And this is why Darcy was so intrigued with Lizzy...she made him chase her, ha ha. A good strategy for a 'lower class girl'! ;)

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  8. Marriage during Jane Austen's time and our time is completely different. Aside from the weird few like Elizabeth, no one married for love in the nineteenth century. Marriage was simply form money and houses. Women married so that they could live comfortably. Men married so that they could say they had a wife and children to pass down their estate. Nowadays, people hardly ever marry for anything less than love. Of course, there are the people who get married on a whim and think that they are in love, but, still, there is no forcing people to get married.

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  9. There were set expectations in this time period. In this time period, marriage was something that every woman and man expected. The women were expected to marry in order for their families to be taken care of. The men were expected to marry because they were not suitable to live on their own but with a wife. Most did not marry for love in this time frame, most married out of suitability. If a man asked, women were expected to say yes. Although men may have been plentiful at this time, when a new man came to town, the women flocked. Because, for a family like the Bennet’s who had multiple girls, they needed every possible man to notice their girls so that Mrs. Bennet would be happy when her girls were married. If a father had a plethora of girls his estate would fall to the closest, living, male relative. In this case was Mr. Collins. Without someone in the Bennet family marrying him, the estate would then fall to Mr. Collins without any consideration for his girls. So, in this time period, men and women were specifically expected to marry; not for love, but for wealth and a roof over their heads.

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  10. In Austen's time marriage was for the best interest of the families involved, not necessarily for the best interest or love of the two people getting married. This is shown through Charlotte Lucas' marriage to Mr.Collins, as she was getting older and needed security and he was looking for a wife. This is also shown through Mrs.Bennet trying to marry off her daughters before her husband died, and the house was entailed to Mr.Collins. Mrs.Bennet's main concern was for at least one of her daughters to marry wealthy so the others, and herself, that did not have a fine place to stay, could stay with them.

    In today's society people still do marry out of need in some instances. Most of those instances come from military needs or unexpected pregnancies, but those marrying out of need is far less prevalent than in Austen's time. Today many people choose not to marry at all, and if they do marry, they tend to marry for love. In today's society marriage is all about finding your "soul-mate", not about money.

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  11. Marriage was viewed as a necessity for young women in this time period. If they were unable to get married by a certain age, they were, more than likely, never going to be married. With the case of Mr. Collins and Charlotte Lucas, they married for need. Charlotte did not want to have to rely on her younger brother for support, if no one else proposed to her. Mr. Collins simply married for need of a wife. In the twenty-first century, there are similarities and differences when it comes to marriage. People, for the most part, marry for love; however, people in some countries, or with certain beliefs, still hold arranged marriages to benefit both, or either family.

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  12. The role of marriage in the 18th century is vastly different than the role of marriage in the 21st century. Back then, marriage was a way of advancing socially and in the way of acquisition of wealth and holdings. Marriage was a necessity for a woman and a sport for men. Women were lined up and picked off at the will of the men and at no liberty of their own. Charlotte Lucas married Mr. Collins strictly out of necessity. She didn't even have any amiable feelings toward him in the first place. She chose to partner with him because he was "a good match" and would provide protection. Nowadays there is leeway in the choice of a spouse. Women aren't pawned off to their suitors (in most places) and we are afforded liberty in choosing who we love and who we marry.

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  13. The role of marriage was one of the highest importance in Austen's time. An unmarried woman was subject to social ridicule and disgrace in the nineteenth century. Marriage was concerned with wealth and power. For instance, Charolette Lucas married Mr. Collins simply because she was certain to be financially stable with his last name. In today's time, however, people marry out of love. Certainly there are instances when people marry out of convienience. Yet, the basis of wedlock in the twenty-first century is choosing who we marry because of emotional attachment.

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  14. Marriage was looked on as more of a necessity in the time of this book. Although now marriage has a lot to do with how you feel about someone back then that wasn't as important.Charlotte married Mr Collins because he was well enough situated in life to take care of her and he was tolerable.In today's world that probably wouldn't have been enough to cut it.

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  15. Marriage in Jane Austen's time is crucial; it is what defined you in society. Many people wanted to marry up or, in other words, into money. If you were not married by the age of 27, you might as well have given up. An example of this would be Ms. Charlotte Lucas, who only married Mr. Collins because she was becoming a burden to her family; it certainly was not out of love. She had no money and would take any man that asked her for her hand in marriage.

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  16. Marriage in the 18th century was more demanding. There was more Issues about who you could date, or when you should get married. In the 21st century marriage there's more of a freedom. You can choose to marry whoever you want and wealth isn't such a Big deal.In the 21st its your own choice of weather you choose to get married or to stay single.

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  17. In the time of Pride and Prejudice marriage was based for women the need to survive instead of love. In the novel an example of this would be Charlotte Lucas and Mr. Collins. Since Charlotte was getting older and still had not yet married, she had to choose a marriage as a matter of survival instead of a marriage of love and romance. Now women are able to get married for other reasons than just for survival. Women have more rights today than they did then. Women are also not looked down upon as much as they were then for not getting married at a young age.

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  18. The role of marriage was extremely important durring Jane Austen's time. Charolett marrying Mr.Collins tells us that marriage wasn't for true love or happiness, but for money, a place in society, and companionship. Marriage durring that time could be compared to an auction. The highest bidder wins the prize, whether you want it or not. The marriage game was something that every young women was thrown into. Marriage in the 21st century is vastly different. People mostly marry for love, if they marry at all. Although some people do still marry for money and financial security.

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  19. The role of marriage is completly different from todays marriage. Today its for true love, then it was for money or stablitiy.

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  20. In Austen’s time, marriage was considered to be an accomplishment, something that gave a person worth. To a degree, people didn’t care if they were in love with the person, in some cases, being able to tolerate the other person was enough, just as long as they were married. For instance, Charlotte Lucas married Mr. Collins because she was getting older and assumed that he would be the only person to propose to her, so she accepted, simply so she could be married. In today’s time, people get married because they love the other person, not because they feel that they have to in order to be accepted by society. Today, if a person isn’t married, it’s because they haven’t found the right person, not because they are a failure.

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  21. The novel shows how marriage was often for convenience not love. This is to be expected somewhat since you must marry and if a woman by age 27. Marriage was seen more as a contract and way to advance yourself. If you happened to fall in love, well that was just a bonus. Now marriage is not necessary and it is mostly for “love” not convenience.

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  22. This novel portrays marriage as something that is required of younger men and women, whether they love the person or not. Marriage was a way to make sure you and your family are cared and provided for in the long run. Today some would consider marriage as a way to feel cared for, secure, sometimes provided for. However, I would say marriage is definitely based more upon love now. Marriage is not something that is considered to be required of young people today. It is expected but not shameful if you decide not to marry.

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  23. In Jane Austen's time, marriage was looked upon highly. Most marriages were seen as a business plan. Then, most people did not marry for love, they married for money or popularity. It was important to be married by a certain age, Take Charlotte for example. She felt like she was a burden to her parents because she was not married and she was older than some girls who were already married. Unlike the 19th century, in the 21st century most people do not look at marriage as a business plan. Most couples marry for love, not because they are being forced to be married to a certain individual.

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  24. Marriage in Austen's time was essential for a woman. Without a husband, she would be forced to work as a governess or depend upon male family members to support her the rest of her life. Little time was had to find a husband for the woman reached the time of being an "old maid" around her mid-to-late twenties. Therefore, if a proposal came, many women would accept it on the spot. Love did not have to be the driving force behind any marriage.

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  25. During the time period in which this story takes place, marriage seemed to revolve more around money. A woman's place was at home, where her role was to tend to the needs of her children and also to take care of her home. This is why is was important for her to marry a wealthy or working man. It was he husbands job to financially support their family. To some people, marriage still revolves around money today. But to other people, like myself, marriage should be based on the love shared between husband and wife.

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